Spike Tassel (Post 71): Josie (Post 9498) says Reniaa (Post 1636) seems to be arrogant. I say reniaa's trying to help cantleave reason on matters in a more balanced way. As Renia said, disagreements are the lot of us imperfect people. I think that this forum is excellent, myself. Rather than just stomping off at the first spat, we seem to be learning how to listen to another even just a little better than before, and to express ourselves ever more tactfully. Practice, practice, practice. May there be increasing peaceableness between each and all of us. We each have much to contribute to the progress of the others, as we match spiritual words to spiritual thoughts more effectively through use.
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Hi I hope i am welcome
by cantleave inhi guys and gals,.
i am a hypocryte.
brought up in the "truth" but know its not.
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Are You Paul or are you Saul?
by reniaa inthis was the same man at different times in his life yet he changed his name because he completely changed his ideals and goals too.
both were extremely zealous, both thought they were doing gods work, both thought they were working for the greater good.. acts 8:3 (new international version)3but saul began to destroy the church.
going from house to house, he dragged off men and women and put them in prison.. soul thought gods work was to destroy the christians but paul.... acts 20: 19i served the lord with great humility and with tears, although i was severely tested by the plots of the jews.
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Spike Tassel (Post 70) re Pistoff (Post 1628): My faith in the Bible comes from the Bible itself, a very profound work, beyond all the cultures currently found in the world of our day. I believe Paul's claims, such as those found recorded at 1 Cor.9:19-23 (became all things to people to all sorts), 1Cor.12:28 (the variety of powers of the holy spirit then in operation), 1 Cor.13:8 (the fact that some of the powers of the holy spirit would cease), 1 Cor.15:8 (that the risen Christ appeared to Paul, while he was still Saul the Pharisee). Scriptural malpractice certainly DOES include practices such as smoking (which violates the principle against uncleanness), and voting (if it means that we are not neutral in the world's affairs, assuming that we, in deed, are "no part of the world"). These are well-known tenets studied before one's ordination as a baptised minister. It is about one's YES being YES, one's NO as NO. These are standards not to be violated with impunity. It is hardly fair to say that only JWs use Jehovah or other forms of the Tetragrammaton in the books from Gospels-Letters-Revelation part of the Bible. Almost the earliest extant manuscript fragments, one can see the use of Jehovah's name, as JWs and others have pointed out. Paul certainly knew about the earthly calling; it is what Jews to this day still believe, as passages such as Psalm 37 bear out. Let us all continue to let God be found true, and continue to work to be sure to all things. May there come to be peace and reconcialition, even between you and me.
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Is the Governing Body the Only Channel of Communication between God and Men?
by UnDisfellowshipped inlet's take my questions one at a time (since you said i had posted too many on my other thread):.
* can you please explain to me, using only the bible, why anyone should believe that today's governing body of jehovah's witnesses (or the "faithful slave class" of the jehovah's witnesses), is the "sole channel of communication" between god and men?.
* in addition, can you explain why we should believe that christ's parable of the "faithful and discreet slave" was predicting a "class" of anointed christians who would give orders to all other christians, instead of simply teaching that faithful christians will be rewarded by christ when he returns?.
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Spike Tassel (Post 69) I meant to finish Post 68 by saying "otherwise our thinking cannot be sound".
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Is the Governing Body the Only Channel of Communication between God and Men?
by UnDisfellowshipped inlet's take my questions one at a time (since you said i had posted too many on my other thread):.
* can you please explain to me, using only the bible, why anyone should believe that today's governing body of jehovah's witnesses (or the "faithful slave class" of the jehovah's witnesses), is the "sole channel of communication" between god and men?.
* in addition, can you explain why we should believe that christ's parable of the "faithful and discreet slave" was predicting a "class" of anointed christians who would give orders to all other christians, instead of simply teaching that faithful christians will be rewarded by christ when he returns?.
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Spike Tassel (Post 68) re mrsjones5 (Post 9494): Working from your definitions, I would say that both independent thinking and critical thinking are vitally important, and that dependant thinking is dangerous (given pervasiveness of Satanic influence). My observations come with one caveat: Let Jehovah God be found true. Our thinking must be dependent upon the reality that Jehovah has put us in, otherwise our thinking is cannot be sound.
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Supreme Court Blood Case - WTS LOSES
by skeeter1 inhttp://scc.lexum.umontreal.ca/en/2009/2009scc30/2009scc30.html.
supreme court of canada.
wts loses!.
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Spike Tassel (Post 67) re DaCheech (Post 2435) and Chalam (Post 1090): I cry out to Jehovah silently now in Jesus' name, and will continue to do so as long as Satan's system is allowed to exist. Since Jehovah is the God of even the wicked (Mat.4:4,4,7,10) we must continue to teach even the Supreme Court of Canada to observe all the commandments of Scripture that apply in our day (Mat.28:18-20). Christ's direction is superior to that of even the Supreme Court of Canada.
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Is the Downfall of Jehovah's Witnesses More Important Then You?
by AllTimeJeff in(on proofreading this, i feel that this is more preachy then i meant it.
so as a disclaimer, i hope you know that if you get that impression, that i didn't mean it that way.
having said that, this is what i feel, so if you relate to this in any way, enjoy.
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Spike Tassel (Post 66) re ablebodiedman (Post 18): While some individuals may well be "corrupt, unjust, dishonest and oppressive", the "Watchtower Bible and Tract Society" is hardly as monolithic as all that, surely. That having been said, Jehovah's word certainly does recommend that sound, just, honest, humble, righteous, and reasonable are superior attributes, which do engender the love and respect that Jehovah so desires in each and everyone of us. May there yet be healing and peace, even for you, O ablebodied man.
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Do Not Say: "The Society Teaches"!
by compound complex inwt 1998 - 3/15 p.19 .... .
"in order to avoid misunderstandings, jehovahs witnesses try to be careful about how they express themselves.
instead of saying, "the society teaches," many witnesses prefer to use such expressions as, "the bible says" or, "i understand the bible to teach.
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Spike Tassel (Post 64): We each need our own understanding, actually, whether we're a Bethelite or otherwise. If we just rely on others to have the answers, we don't have the wisdom necessary to live life and teach others as we ought. There is a time to quote, and a time to speak fresh thoughts of our own, but always remembering our accountability to Jehovah God (Mat.4:4,7,10).
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Hi I hope i am welcome
by cantleave inhi guys and gals,.
i am a hypocryte.
brought up in the "truth" but know its not.
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Spike Tassel (Post 63) re cantleave (Post 14): Yes, it certainly is refreshing to be involved in such open, supportive discussions. True love surely does trump the application of mere law. After all, our goal ought to be to help all (whether friend or foe or someone more neutrally placed) to improve in their abilities to "widen out" in their love. Characterisations such as "control freak organisation" hardly are appealing. So, perhaps we could focus on the good, and support that. In doing so, those who may have "control freak tendencies" may tone down their rhetoric and become more loving to us and others, as we tone down ours in the spirit of the Golden Rule.
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Are You Paul or are you Saul?
by reniaa inthis was the same man at different times in his life yet he changed his name because he completely changed his ideals and goals too.
both were extremely zealous, both thought they were doing gods work, both thought they were working for the greater good.. acts 8:3 (new international version)3but saul began to destroy the church.
going from house to house, he dragged off men and women and put them in prison.. soul thought gods work was to destroy the christians but paul.... acts 20: 19i served the lord with great humility and with tears, although i was severely tested by the plots of the jews.
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Spike Tassel (Post 62): As I understand it, the resurrected Jesus personally appointed Saul the former-Pharisee as Paul the Apostle. This choice was hard (by even many of the early Christians) to accept, so it is hardly surprising that so many today reject at least much of what Paul (and perhaps various other Bible writers) had to say. The fact is that 13 letters are accepted by many as Paul's contribution to the current Bible canon. Just as many reject Jesus' own teaching about the dangers of lust in their own lives, yet insist that others not lust; so too, many reject the provision of the congregation to expel members for wrongdoing, though they are quite happy that physicians and lawyers are disbarred for malpractice that touches their own lives. Saul the Pharisee (in contrast) was no hypocrite, which is why he could be trained to suffer as Paul the Apostle. What Jesus did for Saul was impress upon him that the Law of Love was superior to the Law of Sacrifice, which is still a lesson of us all. Paul's love caused him to sacrifice himself rather than to sacrifice others, so he learned from Jesus the key to living a life approved by Jehovah. As a result, he was ensured of his upward calling. Whether our call is heavenly (as his was), or earthly (as mine is), it is an upward calling, whether considered from a physicial point of view, a moral one, an emotional one, ora a spiritual one.
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Is the Governing Body the Only Channel of Communication between God and Men?
by UnDisfellowshipped inlet's take my questions one at a time (since you said i had posted too many on my other thread):.
* can you please explain to me, using only the bible, why anyone should believe that today's governing body of jehovah's witnesses (or the "faithful slave class" of the jehovah's witnesses), is the "sole channel of communication" between god and men?.
* in addition, can you explain why we should believe that christ's parable of the "faithful and discreet slave" was predicting a "class" of anointed christians who would give orders to all other christians, instead of simply teaching that faithful christians will be rewarded by christ when he returns?.
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Spike Tassel (Post 61) re UnDisfellowshipped (Post 2518)
For me, it's very important that each "carry his own load". "Independent thinking" (as I understand it) means thinking that doesn't take the wholistic Bible picture into account. To "take the lead" means to follow sound Scriptural understanding. It is to be reflected in our thoughts and motivations, in our actions and reactions, and in our counsel and comfort, depending on the context of each situation.